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Sure, I'll respect your Religion! If... by OurHandOfSorrow Sure, I'll respect your Religion! If... by OurHandOfSorrow
"I'll respect your Religion when your Religion respects basic human rights!"

This stamp is mainly aimed towards Christianity, I don't know much about the other major religions :P

Now I'm not saying all Religions don't respect human rights, but the mass religions like Christianity. I'm not saying all Christians don't respect human rights, but you can't deny there are Christians out there who do want to deny people their basic human rights.

Basic human rights like marriage, being able to have a family and reproductive rights, just to name a few.

For a religion that's supposed to be about kindness and accepting people, there sure are a lot of followers who are first class assholes.

The main one that everyone's talking about over the western world is marriage. Should gay/lesbian/bisexual/transgendered people be allowed to marry and start a family? I know what the bible says about homosexuality, but I thought it was the New Testament that Christians followed, not the old one? Well, that's what some anti-choice nut job told me when I was debating abortion with her.

I'd like to know what the New Testament says about homosexuality, if someone would like to tell me?

And even if it did say something about homosexuality in the new book, didn't God say that we should not judge people? That judging was his job and playing god is a sin?

NOW! Reproductive rights. What did Jesus say about abortion and birth control, hm? Oh, that's right: Fuck all.

(I think this is the new testament, not sure!) Exodus 21:22 reads:

When people who are fighting injure a pregnant woman so that there is a miscarriage, and yet no further harm follows, the one responsible shall be fined what the woman's husband demands, paying as much as the judges determine.

So yeah: You kill a fetus, you get a fine.

Before you go quoting bullshit bible verses to me: [link]

So yeah: You have NO RIGHT to deny people their basic human rights just because a 2000 year old book says so. And if you do: You're a fucking moron.

And there is such thing as the separation of religion and the state. Don't like that? Move to Saudi Arabia. I'm sure you'll be welcomed with open arms.
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LordOfstamps Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2015
I'd say this stamp applies better to Islam than Christianity considering the atrocious human rights records of Islamic countries. 
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Glitter-panda Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
i love this stamp :heart:
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alexgameanimeex35 Featured By Owner Oct 14, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
So true man. So true. Cant believe i was a christian. And i too didnt like athiests in a major way. Damn i was an idiot.
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dalegribble3000 Featured By Owner Jul 24, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
With religious laws in the Bible, only 1/6 of the ones are not relevant to Christian faith, and those are regarding animal sacrifices.
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DarkSideDuck Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2014
Separation of religion and the state?
"Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's" Matthew 22:21

Correct me if there are any mistakes.
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StylishCat100 Featured By Owner Jul 22, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Oh, and the Exodus is in the Old Testament.
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StylishCat100 Featured By Owner Jul 22, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
The whole reason Christianity is against against abortion/homosexuality/etc., is the place where it evolved: the Middle East. The Middle East is, to this day, an arid place, so imagine how tough life would have been in ancient times. If you couldn't have kids, there was a problem, because the population was at risk of going extinct. In fact, the Bible specifically states that families that couldn't have children were considered damned by God. Plus, a strong family bond was needed for survival.

Ancient religions were always tied to the place where people lived, because people relied on the will of their gods to survive. Remember, people didn't even know where rain came from, so they made sacrifices for their gods in order for rain to come so their crops would grow and they could feed their animals and themselves. Let's not look for any deeper meanings than that. In fact, the only deep meaning there is in the Bible is only found in the Book of Genesis (which was stolen from Sumerian legends).

There's nothing inherently wrong with homosexuality. In fact, it has been observed in thousands of species, from insects and all the way to human beings. There's nothing wrong with abortion either, especially if the baby has a defect. In nature, animals with defects don't survive very long. Only the best genes should be passed on; that's the law of nature. Besides, in some species, females sometimes EAT their cubs as soon as they are born.

Just my two cents. Sorry for the wall of text.
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dalegribble3000 Featured By Owner Jul 24, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
But still, it's interesting that many ancient religions have variations of the Noah's Ark story.
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somebodyoranybody Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Really? Because I was wondering if there are ground myths. Myths so old that people told them to one another before they started to wander and live in parts of the world other than Africa. If it is part of multiple religions then it could be older than the religions itself. Or is it only part of Judaism, Christianity and Islam? Because then Christianity and Islam might have just taken it, the way they took a lot of other stuff...
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dalegribble3000 Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
There is no mention of it in Confucianism or Buddhism, as those are structured more as a philosophy. But Taoism and Aztec mythology do speak of a great flood and a man and his family getting in a huge boat with one of every animal. The possibility of ground myths is quite likely.
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somebodyoranybody Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Cool, thank you :)
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FireFlyExposed Featured By Owner Jul 8, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Basically what you are saying is that you won't respect PEOPLE who won't respect human rights. Christianity, Biblicaly focused, is not actually anti human rights ... just the people who take things out of context and cherry pick
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nekochibiclarechan Featured By Owner Jul 7, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
So true. I've met plenty of nice Christians, like my mother. She is open to opinions and doesn't buy "the world was created in six days" crap. But then there's everyone else. 

I've been assaulted many times by my outer family, mostly my grandma and aunts. They've forced me to church a few times, and once begged the pastor or whatever to "cleanse" and "repent" me. All because I'm bisexual and don't believe in religion. How can we know if there's a god if there's no evidence? Sorry, a book written a thousand years ago doesn't count. I asked them why they hate me, why they wish to clear away the "sins and filth": I've accumulated. They said "It's god's will." If that's what they think will convert me, frankly I want nothing to do with it. If that's your god's will, to RUIN people just for being who they are, it's time you get a slap to the face and a reality check. Sure, I may go to hell. I don't care. All I care about is that people will stop giving me shit. They've taken lives. A girl in my class committed suicide after getting dragged to her church and her parents begged, pleaded to their "god" to forgive THEM for their daughter's "defect" of homosexuality. If this is what people are doing, to their OWN DAUGHTERS AND SONS... I think this may be the end, eventually. Humans are going to destroy themselves. We've become monsters in a human's skin.
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Fluffy-Adoptables101 Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2014  Hobbyist
This is exactly why I'm not big with religion. My bff is a pasters daughter and she had faith problems. We both get confused from the way religion works. And if there really is a God, how would we know? For heaven sakes, God has killed more people then the DEVIL! The so called evil Devil gave us knowledge and gave us the ability to learn and grow. When you love someone you care for them and will help them when they need you, I've needed God so many times in my life and NOTHING happened. You don't cause suffering for someone cause you love them.  And I hate abortion because your just murdering a baby.  Quoted from :icontigerjump71: "There's the 'I believe in God' Christian, and then there's the 'Pokemon is the devil and dinosaurs never existed' Christian." The Christians that are like the last part of his Tigerjump's statement are the ones who don't respects basic human rights! Also quoted from Corvus-the-Snark  "Indeed, it is a proven fact that most "Christians" today haven't actually read the Bible and just believe what they want. God have mercy of their souls..." I'm not a person to usually get involved in these fights over religion or slenderman and other stuff like that but when people don't respect my rights and others rights, it bothers me. And when something bothers me I get involved. And I don't think that just because a few religions in the USA don't allow homosexuality means we ALL have to be straight. This problem also happens onl apps like iFunny, people are getting banned for homosexuality and fandoms and speaking up. Emo's and depressed people are told horribal things and get banned cause they are "Offensive" From my point of few, Society and religion destroy humanity. Yeah, I see humans, but I don't see humanity. Some churches that I've been too myself, won't allow homosexual people in, causal clothing, people that 'sinned' by messing up earlier in life, such as smoking and doing drugs. Society destroys people until they can't go on anymore and then turn around after their dead and say, "OMG why'd s/he kill herself?! S/he were so pretty and talented. They had so much to live for!" Society destroyed adventure to where the only adventure left is to destroy society.
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DarkFlame11 Featured By Owner Jul 2, 2014
Sorry to say that Christians are not the biggest Human Rights breakers :|
There are many other religions, which you should at least know, which are really more harmful for homosexuality or women's rights :shrug:
And not only because they do not allow gay people to get married, in fact, in some religions they are pursued and MURDERED for no reason. Where are the human rights? And I'm sure it is worse that just the discrimination you are talking about (of course, I do NOT support discrimination of any kind!)
And same for women when they are not allowed to do the same as men do or even when they are sexually mutilated.
All those actions do not take place in Chistian countries or so.

However, I am not trying to defend Chistians even when I've studied in a Catholic school. I do not know how american Christians are, but as I see it, they seem really different from the rest of European Christians. I mean, catholicism is NOT against evolution or science, in fact, there are several 'priests' who have studied and helped the Scientific Community. So the extremist way some people in america have to follow the Bible is a little weird and, sometimes, proper of the XV century.
I hope you understand what I'm trying to say :)
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Paulthored Featured By Owner Jun 30, 2014
"So yeah: You kill a fetus, you get a fine."--- Which if you're as big an 'expert' on what the Bible says
(as you claim) you would know that if he Failed to pay the Fine, He would be Executed.

Also, stop trying to tell me what my religion says just because you came across a couple verse's of the Bible that, out of context, you disagree with or find offensive.

Abortion--- that Humans begin life/existence at conception, and that Murder is a Sin/wrong.--- since current abortion laws don't acknowledge the first fact, the second applies until the abortion laws recognize this. Note: this doesn't mean Abortion can't happen under these conditions. It just acknowledges the seriousness of what happens. Note#2:all that shit about contraception being forbidden is all the Vatican's doing. I'm perfectly okay with as much contraception as you want. I only start caring when there is a human life at stake, not before.--Besides, the way I see it, abortion would stop being an issue when quick, safe, easily reversible, & cheap Sterilization type birth control is commonplace. Mainly because woman would then have little to no excuse for aborting a planned pregnancy. which would basically be every pregnancy save the one involving rape.(note: of course, the Original reason for Abortion would still apply-saving the mothers life-but I don't see a problem with that.)

Gay marriage---'give unto Caesar what is Caesar's due'-Sodomy- (ie:Gay Sex)-is an Abomination.-biblehub.com/1_corinthians/13-… / www.biblegateway.com/passage/?… 'greatest of these is Love'----> this means its complicated. The biggest beef though is the thought of an 'abomination' being on the same level as Regular marriage. also, one the main arguments used to 'promote' gay marriage is the problems with inheritance. which is not a problem with marriage itself, but the fact that our government tied the inheritance laws into the marriage laws. which in this day an age cause's all sort's of problems not even related to this issue.

timing out... :peace:
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PeteSeeger Featured By Owner Jun 24, 2014  Student Writer
Exodus is the second book of the Old Testament. I am honestly amazed how little effort you people put into looking into this sort of thing before you try to use it.
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Paulthored Featured By Owner Jun 30, 2014
Agreed.:peace:
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Gametastic Featured By Owner Jun 9, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
 Exodus 21:22

Is in the old testament, if youre going to diss Christianity you should atleast do it right
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Ask-Warrior-Zelda Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2014
It doesn't matter. Asswipe Christians (not Christians as a whole, just those assholes) don't do any research, but they are praised for that?
What the fuck.
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Gametastic Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
' it dosent matter'

but it does. it matters alot.
if your going to try to diss something do it right or else you'll land on your face and look like an idiot.
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Ask-Warrior-Zelda Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2014
An idiot is mentally handicapped person.
Thank you very much for pointing it out, I am mentally handicapped. Not very much, just a little.
If you're going to be an ass, at least research your "insults" and the person you are being an ass to. 
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Paulthored Featured By Owner Jun 30, 2014
pot calling the kettle black.
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Ask-Warrior-Zelda Featured By Owner Jun 30, 2014
I know very well that an ass is a donkey. And this person was certainly acting like a donkey. Nothing against donkeys, but I haven't met one yet who didn't like to be rude and pushy.
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And there is no denying some christians are total racists.
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Ahrolkah Featured By Owner May 29, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
A majority of christians are actually good people. The loud assholes that's like 1% are who you're speaking of, correct?

*cough* Westboro Baptist Church *cough*
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Tigerjump71 Featured By Owner May 27, 2014
Like I always say:  There's the 'I blieve in God' Christian, and then there's the 'Pokemon is the devil and dinosaurs never existed' Christian.
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nerptune Featured By Owner Jun 17, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
HAHAHA THIS IS THE BEST

I'M USING THIS
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amyangel248 Featured By Owner May 29, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
you dont even know how happy i was with that statement.
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cerbereth132 Featured By Owner May 20, 2014
The new testament does not condone gay marriage either. I don't see how gay marriage became a basic human right when it is isn't the law in most of the world and the issue only began to gain traction in 2008. Six years equals basic human right? Also are you saying women who have abortions should pay a fine, because that is actually harsher than what the laws are today?

Jesus does teach not to judge, but government's have a duty to set laws and preserve order. The bible commands people to obey their government. 

There is also separation of church and state in this country. The church does not make or set law in this country. People have a right to vote how they feel calling them fucking morons for that seems childish and mean to me. 
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PeteSeeger Featured By Owner May 14, 2014  Student Writer
I have serious doubts that we define "Basic Human rights" the same way.
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CartoonFan3 Featured By Owner May 13, 2014
Some Christians don't follow the message of the Bible the way it was intended the way some Muslims are terrorists even though that's not what Muhammad wanted. I'm a gay Christian and I believe acting out of love for your fellow man is what's most important in life.
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Corvus-the-Snark Featured By Owner Apr 30, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Indeed, it is a proven fact that most "Christians" today haven't actually read the Bible and just believe what they want. God have mercy of their souls...
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AndyofIndiana Featured By Owner Apr 20, 2014  Hobbyist
That is a very particular situation that this bible quote is addressing. 
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Linkzilla Featured By Owner Apr 7, 2014
Did you know that the Christian Bible actually SUPPORTS slavery of ALL races...unless they're Hebrew or Jewish?
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desudesukawai Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2014  Professional Artist
PEOPLE WITH RELIGION ARE MEAN TO EVERYONE AND THEY CAN GO KILL THEMSELVES THEY ARE RETARDED!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

haha why are they SOOO retarded???
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Internetexplorer968 Featured By Owner Jul 20, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
Ha! You got deactivated for your big mouth!
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Komatsuzaki-Xingqi Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
You don't have the right to marry whoever you want. You don't have the right to kill another human being just because it doesn't look like a baby. You don't have the right to force people to pay for your own birth control. 

Separation of Church and State is an idea liberals made up. The Constitution does not mention it. It came from a guy who was trying to convince another guy that a government shouldn't be meddling in religious affairs, not the other way around. 
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SilverBeastLaguz Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Not unless you live in a country or state that allows these things.

As for the Separation of Church and State thing, it's definitely a fact that the constitution doesn't say that. But we do have a Wall of Separation saying that the church shouldn't involve establish, support, or otherwise involve itself in any religion. It was written by Thomas Jefferson (I'm not sure if he was a liberal).

www.usconstitution.net/constno…
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Komatsuzaki-Xingqi Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Those rights must be fabricated from ideology. They aren't given by the Constitution. 

There weren't really conservatives and liberals back then. There were different issues. 

"But… the Separation of Church and State, you shout.

Should I insult your intelligence by reminding you that no such phrase exists in the Constitution? In fact, the First Amendment makes no mention of “separation,” “church,” or “state,” in any order or combination. The First Amendment puts no limit on religion at all. Instead, it limits the governments ability to interfere in religion, and permanently codifies our right to the “free exercise thereof.”

When Thomas Jefferson used the notorious phrase “Separation of Church and State” in his letter to the Danbury Baptists, he was describing a one-sided wall where the corruption of the Government could not infiltrate and infect the operations of the Church. He only chose those particular words because he was speaking to Baptists. He thought it might resonate with that crowd, considering the founder of the Baptist Church in America, Roger Williams, had written 150 years earlier about the need for a “wall of separation between the garden of the Church and the wilderness of the World.”

So when the Supreme Court later used this letter to justify its legal opinion in Everson vs. Board of Education, it was really deciding case law based on part of a sentence written by a 17th century Baptist preacher.

Stellar work there, Your Honors.

Remember, the settlers were escaping a country that persecuted Catholics after King Henry VIII threw a hissy fit when the Pope wouldn’t change Canon Law to suit the king’s habit of divorcing and/or murdering his wives. The Crown was declared the “only supreme head of the Church in England,” and guys like Thomas More were summarily beheaded and chopped into pieces for refusing to recognize the king’s spiritual authority.

In other words, they were leaving a country where government had intruded on religion — not the other way around."

-Matt Walsh

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SilverBeastLaguz Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
"Those rights must be fabricated from ideology. They aren't given by the Constitution."

Are you countering what I said, which was this? "Not unless you live in a country or state that allows these things." Well here's a newsflash for you, marriage is not mentioned in the Constitution: www.usconstitution.net/constno…. Those that are prohibiting those who want to marry someone, are going against the constitution. Pro-lifers trying to make a "no abortion law" a federal law are also going against the Constitution, because the federal government is not to get involved with people's lives in that level. www.suanews.com/constitution/g… I do agree with the forcing people to pay birth control, because making a church do something it doesn't want to do would break the Separation of State and Church. Catholic women can always pay for their own birth control. But if they can't afford it, then maybe they can ask a friend to purchase one for them.

But if you're talking about Christianity and its rules, then you should know that not everyone is going to follow that religion and no one should be forced to do so. I mean why should I, an atheist, be forced to do things I don't want to do or believe in? If that happened, our Founding Fathers would roll in their graves and facepalm. I have my own set of rules & morals and I want to follow them, not let other people rule my lives and body.

Sometimes ideals are good for the human race. It allows us to progress for the betterment of the human race. The Declaration of Independence may not be part of the constitution, but it is an ideology that helped America.

Also, I never said the Wall of Separation was in the constitution. But I personally believe that if the government shouldn't interfere with religion, then religion shouldn't interfere with the government, just to make things fair. I just reread my previous post and noticed that I accidentally wrote "church" and not "government". Sorry for the typo, my bad.
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OurHandOfSorrow Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2014  Hobbyist Photographer
Hey, I heard Saudi Arabia is a good place right now, feel free to move over there.
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Komatsuzaki-Xingqi Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
You don't have the right to marry whoever you want. You don't have the right to kill another human being just because it doesn't look like a baby. You don't have the right to force people to pay for your own birth control. 

Separation of Church and State is an idea liberals made up. The Constitution does not mention it. It came from a guy who was trying to convince another guy that a government shouldn't be meddling in religious affairs, not the other way around. 
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Ask-Warrior-Zelda Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2014
You don't have the right or power to tell us what to do. 
(cute avatar by the way.)
I live in Wisconsin, which recently allowed homosexuals to marry. So, I DO have the right to marry whoever I wish to marry. 
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Komatsuzaki-Xingqi Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I don't claim I have the power to "tell you what to do". 

No. If you wanted to marry a rock or a strip of Canadian bacon, you could not do that. 
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Ask-Warrior-Zelda Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2014
That is a "what," not a "who."
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pokemonsonicgirl123 Featured By Owner Apr 29, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
And you don't have the right to be in asshole in everything you say!
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Komatsuzaki-Xingqi Featured By Owner Apr 29, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Just because I'm destroying your argument doesn't mean I'm being rude. I'm being to-the-point. If that peeves you, then you need some skin. 
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pokemonsonicgirl123 Featured By Owner Apr 29, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Actually, you didn't destroy my argument. And I don't think you will anytime soon. I've seen you anywhere and you're rude and bigoted enough as it is. "Being to the point," eh? You're against the right to marry? Good luck finding your one true love, cowgirl.
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Komatsuzaki-Xingqi Featured By Owner Apr 29, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I destroyed what was easily-broken: fallacious arguments and intrinsic contradiction. Now, if you were to actually put up an argument sides "your wrong because your mean and i can believe wut i want!", then that might be a bit more difficult for me to tackle. But I'm not worried, because you're too afraid to address your own internal issues. Someday, though, you will have to come to terms with it. 

"I've seen you anywhere and you're rude and bigoted enough as it is.
Did you mean "everywhere" or "anyway", here? "Anywhere" doesn't form a relevant meaning. 

I don't doubt that I'm sarcastic sometimes, as I might have been with you here. But there is a distinction between debating and being plain rude. As there is a difference between having different beliefs than you and being bigoted. I think it's funny how you got irritated at me for making "assumptions" and judgments about you, and not 2 posts later you are making enormous generalizations and assumptions about me. Well played, anime-luvr-girl12316. Well played. 

The only people who are against the right to marry are the ones who want to dismember marriage outright. I am fully supportive of marriage, but as I also support its intrinsic definition. I could go into detail, but I'm sure it'd just translate into "blah blah blah bigot homophobic gay hating blah" to you. A shame people generalize like you do. 

I am male, but I am a Texan, so at least you assumed one part correctly. And you act like being pro-family is a trait as desirable as a liking to cannibalism to the entirety of society. Oh, what ever shall I do? How will I ever find someone just as homophobic and bigoted as I am for a mate?  
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