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"There is nothing "pro-life" about wanting to see both woman and fetus die."

Around half of anti-choicers I come across are against abortion in all cases/when there's no chance of the fetus surviving/when the only way to save the woman's life is to kill the fetus/when the fetus has died.

I don't understand what is so "pro-life" about wanting to see both woman and fetus die? If there's at least a slim hope for the woman's survival wouldn't it be best to at least save her life? Since when was two deaths better than just one? It doesn't make any sense.

"It's a mothers duty to sacrifice her life for her child!"

No, it's not. Nobody is obliged to give up their life for the sake of someone else, whether it's her child or not. There is nothing noble about sacrificing your own life for the sake of something that would die without your help anyway and leaving your family and friends behind.

"It's all part of Gods plan for them both to die, she will be rewarded in heaven by God and Jesus and all the little Angels and blah blah blah blah!"

Not everybody is Christian, your God means nothing to mine and plenty of other women's lives. I will not, and I repeat NOT die for a fetus just because YOU believe that there is an afterlife. There are tonnes of faiths out there, and not all of them want women to die for a non-viable clump of tissue and cells that's inside of her uterus. I'm not a Christian, I'm a Pagan. I don't believe in your God and I never have done, so why should I die for a cause that I don't believe in?

"Abortion is murder and murder is a sin!"

No, abortion is not murder and it never has been. Did you know that before abortion was made illegal in the 19th century, it was legal up to the 17th week because the 'soul' didn't enter the body till then?

"Thou shalt not kill!!!!!"

Urgh! What is with all the bible mumbo jumbo today? If killing was wrong, we would have all starved to death long ago. We kill thousands of things every single day all of our lives. What it should say is: "Thou shalt not murder!" and abortion is NOT murder.

"No baby deserves the death penalty!"

No woman deserves to die for a non-viable embryo, that's just about as alive as a turnip is. Thing is, when there's no hope of the fetus surviving because of viability and shit like that and the woman was going to die if she continued with the pregnancy, who are YOU to deny her an abortion? What about her "right to life" you always harp on about? Or does that only apply for fetuses?

Anyway, I'm going to stop here because I could go on for hours about the hypocrisy of these morons. If there's anything I left out, please tell me and I'll have a good ramble about it later :P
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Undead-Purdy Featured By Owner 5 days ago  Hobbyist General Artist
You have no idea how much I love this stamp o3o
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Tweedaz Featured By Owner Jun 20, 2015  New Deviant
It blows my mind how people can care soo much about a clump of cells but be so heartless to  real living people. The same people who claim that abortion is murder are often the ones cheering on wars.....
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peacefulinvasion Featured By Owner Jun 3, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
Anyone who wont let a woman abort to save her life is fucking shit. In most of those situations the fetus wouldn't survive outside the womb and the mom would die before the fetus can qualify for a premature birth. And i'm sorry a child born at 20 weeks premature is likely to have a whole cocktail of handicaps that would impair their quality of life. A child born at 12 weeks........yah just dig the grave for that one. 

Anotherwords in most cases the fetus will die anyways. Why should the mother continue to risk her life for a meaningless cause. Its better to loose one life than two. 
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FnafShipper1903 Featured By Owner Apr 24, 2015  Student Traditional Artist
Am I pro-life or not? I mean, I want to see both the woman and the fetus live, but if the woman needs to abort to live, than I'm fine with that.
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peacefulinvasion Featured By Owner Jun 3, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
O.o people are purely pro-life or prochoice? Most people are inbetween anywho. Most pro-choicers have a line that they draw at a certain point in the pregnancy same with pro-choicers. 
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SpectralDraco Featured By Owner May 3, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
You're Pro-Choice. 
Pro-Life is making abortion illegal for women who need to abort.
It's fine to give some thought to the fetus, as long as it doesn't harm the mother.
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NyuIa Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2015  Student Digital Artist
i have a friend who's against abortion but she's actually NICE about it. she says "I'm against abortion, I think it's wrong, but if other people support it, i'm fine with that!"

like don't be that "ABORTION IS BAD YOU DIE IF YOU DO IT", be like my friend.
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Kittygirl7878 Featured By Owner Mar 2, 2015
"No baby deserves the death penalty!"

Speaking of death penalty, don't many anti-choice bigots actually support death penalty? Something I find hypocritical if they call themselves pro-life.
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SpectralDraco Featured By Owner May 3, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Lmao. 
No mother deserves hell for a child, and the death penalty is something earned by an action. 
Comparing abortion to the death penalty is also a bigoted thing to do. 
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catz537 Featured By Owner Mar 12, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yeah, they actually do. It's really stupid.
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Captain-Tickles Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
Pro-life is like a religion that branches from atheism 
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SpectralDraco Featured By Owner May 3, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
The bible hasn't had a good word at all for abortion. 
So, technically, Pro-choice is a atheist thing. 
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Internetexplorer968 Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
I don't see how that makes any sense. /: \
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Captain-Tickles Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
all of these regulations and beliefs 
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Internetexplorer968 Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
Still doesn't make sense to me...
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Captain-Tickles Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
Pro-Life = Pro-FuckFace
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Dylan-the-dude Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
hello, its me again. 
I debated to you many years on this issue.
I have changed my views since.
Yes, abortion is touchy, but it should still be allowed. I think that people just need to carefully consider each option before going with one of them.. Hell, each have pros and cons.
Adoption will save a life, but who will adopt it? What about all the other unadopted children? This is best done if you really want to let the baby live, but know where it will go. And knowing the family is good, not abusive. Bachground checks can only do so much.
Keeping the baby will let the baby live, but there are a lot of issues. Money is a big one. Teen mothers, for example, often have very little means to take care of children, let alone themselves. A baby is a lot for a growing body, and childbirth can be very detrimental to their body. 
These can be best avoided by using birth control and making responsible decisions. 
Poor mothers can't supply the children what they need to grow healthy and strong, and end up hurting themselves and their kid. This is best for mothers who already have a good income and established themselves well. 
Abortion does eliminate the fetus but can cause a lot of bleeding. To prevent this, it is best done early, before the fetus is viable. Large parts can cause infection and can be harmful. This can be avoided by choosing a good provider. This can be used for harmful pregnancies as well, such as rape, incest, or live saving treatment. 
Women have the minds to make good decisions, we do not need anyone telling us what to do as long as we educate ourselves on the decisions. We do not need to use coat hangers, get professional help. 
The only problem I will have with abortion is if the kid doesn't have a certain feature such as sex. Sex selective abortion is wrong because its based off of discrimination, not on a legitimate need.
And an abortion is much cheaper than having to feed yourself and a starving person. It's cruel to bring them into a life that will  be harmful. 
I'm pro informed choice
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peacefulinvasion Featured By Owner Edited Jun 3, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
Agreed a woman MUST consider EVERY option. I say we teach woman about all their options in sex education. The second they hit middle school they are to know about abortion adoption keeping the child and all the resources at their disposal. Abstinence only preachers can just take it to the church. That shit is pretty much useless once once the zygote forms. Trust me I went to school and it had an abstinance only program for sex ed. By the time they taught it in like the 10th grade we had at LEAST 2 teens who were pregnant. Guess how useful the "don't have sex until marraige" thing was to them :lol: at that point even the condom preaching is useless. (though we should still teach it). 

Sex education needs to go beyond the bedroom. 
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Undead-Purdy Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Can I hug you?
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Dylan-the-dude Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
absulutley. 
And to think I used to be "pro-life"
Then I realized its not very pro life to see a baby grow up in a deprived environment. 
Aslo, have a Freddy! I made him myself! 
Dance Freddy, dance for my amusement! by ThatFreakyZephyr  Dance Freddy, dance for my amusement! by ThatFreakyZephyr  
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Undead-Purdy Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
:iconbrohugplz: Yay Freddy! :D
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Dylan-the-dude Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Like I said, I made him myself, picture, gif arrangement, and all that. Fnans use this one like crazy, but others like it too. Its amazing how people love something so simple.
Oh, OurHandOfSorrow, there is an MBTI Chart for disney princesses, 
I got Kida.
Heres the chart: 24.media.tumblr.com/79d2394b45…
Hey, I really do not like abortion, but if a kid can;t be raised in hope and be given the love they need, don't have them. There are already so many homeless children out there, how about you give one a home? 
Or invest in charities that help children without homes, baby sit, teach a child a new skill. You can still love children and support hem without giving birth haphazardly. If anything, my views comes from science and compassion. 
Yes, it is a tiny human, but its cruel to neglect them of a need all because you don't have the resources. 
I'd rather be pro-quality-of-life.
And Pro-informed-choice.

I should make that a stamp.
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Undead-Purdy Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
That's pretty cool :D I fully support abortion, like you said, I can't stand to see more kids brought into the world to be neglected, even though I'm pedophobic, I still care for children
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Dylan-the-dude Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Ah indeed. 
Life is special, and it should not be given away recklessly. 
You wouldn't do this to a pet, so reproduce responsibly. And look to give quality of life, not quantity. 
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Undead-Purdy Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Yes, I got sterilized at 17, but if I ever wanted, I would adopt a teenager
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Chiminix Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
I've never heard of a pro-lifer directly hoping that both the woman and child die. That's just backwards.
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Rezina-The-FluffyCat Featured By Owner Sep 27, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Pro-life should just be called pro-fetus .-. because honestly it seems a good many "pro-lifers" would rather see the fetus survive than the woman carrying it. Notice I said a GOOD MANY not ALL. 
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BlueWolf007 Featured By Owner Mar 13, 2015
Well, considering they stress the mother-to-be, instead of aiding her in her vulnerable state they actively hurt her and endanger the fetus in one foul swoop.

So no, pro-fetus doesn't suit them either.
I like to refer to them as pro-birth-enforcers, or insensitive fucks for short. C:
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Rezina-The-FluffyCat Featured By Owner Mar 13, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
XD Insensitive fucks sounds right
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AsahiGirl Featured By Owner Sep 20, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
How is that Pro-Life? ;n; I don't want to see them die!
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Oddball-Dragonfly Featured By Owner Aug 31, 2014  Student General Artist
In my opinion abortion should only be allowed to happen in these circumstances: 1, the baby is a rape child, 2, The mother found out she can't live AND have the baby, 3, the baby was found out to have a problem where it can't live on its own or 4, the mother has financial problems during, NOT BEFORE, DURING, he pregnancy and suddenly is finacially unable to take care of the baby (cause if she went and WILLINGLY concieved it while she was poor, PFFT, thats her fault). But, if the problem is that she was too lazy to take a pill/use a condom, thats her problem. I see that reason 4 might be a tough reason to prove though...
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catz537 Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
It is not anyone's fault if they get pregnant. No one can 100% control whether they get pregnant or not. Nothing is anyone's "fault" in these situations. It's not about blame.
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CoolKHgirl Featured By Owner Aug 27, 2014
agrea, my family is pro-choice, from a comment you're in UK? 
think dad said we're Pro-choice here
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420dollarsand69cents Featured By Owner Jun 15, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Guess what? I'm pro life! I believe in protecting the child's life!
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The 12 year old child that's being forced to have a baby she doesn't want!

you probably thought I was actually "pro life" at first, haha.

pro choice forever.
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grotte-du-lapin Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2014
you're awesome!
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CoolMcBloxi Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2014
Thou shall kill idiotics!
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Ahrolkah Featured By Owner May 29, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Those people call themselves pro life, but theres a difference between pro life and being fucking insane.
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DustyWinds Featured By Owner May 18, 2014
I've read much about rape victims being forced to deliver the child regardless of their protests, simply because the doctors were pro-life. Women have a choice, and yet pro-lifers are forcing them to deliver a baby that they do not want. Even if they don't have an abortion, the mothers (rape victims or otherwise) would be disgusted by the child, whom is also the child of the rapist/man. To all you pro-lifers out there, by asking the mothers to give birth to the child regardless if they were rape victims or otherwise would result in the child probably being much more miserable in life than death. 
And just to clear it up, FETUSES are not BABIES. You are not "murdering" a living thing if you have an abortion.
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SNlCKERS Featured By Owner May 11, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'm pro-life, but I believe abortions are ok in certain circumstances, like If the mothers life/health is in danger.
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SealyTheSeal Featured By Owner Jul 22, 2014
What if the condom broke? Would abortion be necessary, if the woman doesn't want a child? Just wondering.
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MrGlitchstep Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2014  Student General Artist
No. There's no grey area. You either support women, or you're against women.  A woman has a right to her body regardless of circumstances. Saying a woman doesn't is nothing short of patriarchy.

(Excuse my cissexism)
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Why?
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catz537 Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Because if you try to control what women do with their own bodies, forcing them to do something with their bodies against their wills, you are as low as a rapist, and you are not letting them do what men are allowed to do, thus making you sexist.
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ToriKross Featured By Owner Apr 24, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
Most women get abortions for social and financial reasons. Only 12% abort for health reasons. 1% who abort are rape victims. 
(www.abort73.com/abortion_facts…
 
In other words, most people who abort, don't abort because they're worried about dying or that their kid might die.
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SealyTheSeal Featured By Owner Jul 22, 2014
Woman get abortions for a serious reason, it's not something taken light heartly. I've seen people say how abortion feels like, and they said it's feels like a painful stabbing in their gut. Do you think they're that dumb enough to getting a painful abortion just because they were "slutty"?
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ToriKross Featured By Owner Jul 22, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
I never said that they abort because their slutty. I said more women get abortions for social and financial reasons rather than for medical reasons.
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SealyTheSeal Featured By Owner Jul 22, 2014
Okay, but I see many pro-lifers say they're slutty, but I'm not stereotyping all of them.
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katrinahood Featured By Owner Apr 6, 2014  Student Digital Artist
I personally think that Moses fucked up the Bible verse that said "Thou shalt not kill". And God responded by facepalming and saying, "Moses, you idiot! It was supposed to say 'Thou shalt not murder', not kill!"
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Sylviagoesmeow Featured By Owner Jul 15, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
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