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Nothing at All by OurHandOfSorrow Nothing at All by OurHandOfSorrow
"There is nothing "pro-life" about wanting to see both woman and fetus die."

Around half of anti-choicers I come across are against abortion in all cases/when there's no chance of the fetus surviving/when the only way to save the woman's life is to kill the fetus/when the fetus has died.

I don't understand what is so "pro-life" about wanting to see both woman and fetus die? If there's at least a slim hope for the woman's survival wouldn't it be best to at least save her life? Since when was two deaths better than just one? It doesn't make any sense.

"It's a mothers duty to sacrifice her life for her child!"

No, it's not. Nobody is obliged to give up their life for the sake of someone else, whether it's her child or not. There is nothing noble about sacrificing your own life for the sake of something that would die without your help anyway and leaving your family and friends behind.

"It's all part of Gods plan for them both to die, she will be rewarded in heaven by God and Jesus and all the little Angels and blah blah blah blah!"

Not everybody is Christian, your God means nothing to mine and plenty of other women's lives. I will not, and I repeat NOT die for a fetus just because YOU believe that there is an afterlife. There are tonnes of faiths out there, and not all of them want women to die for a non-viable clump of tissue and cells that's inside of her uterus. I'm not a Christian, I'm a Pagan. I don't believe in your God and I never have done, so why should I die for a cause that I don't believe in?

"Abortion is murder and murder is a sin!"

No, abortion is not murder and it never has been. Did you know that before abortion was made illegal in the 19th century, it was legal up to the 17th week because the 'soul' didn't enter the body till then?

"Thou shalt not kill!!!!!"

Urgh! What is with all the bible mumbo jumbo today? If killing was wrong, we would have all starved to death long ago. We kill thousands of things every single day all of our lives. What it should say is: "Thou shalt not murder!" and abortion is NOT murder.

"No baby deserves the death penalty!"

No woman deserves to die for a non-viable embryo, that's just about as alive as a turnip is. Thing is, when there's no hope of the fetus surviving because of viability and shit like that and the woman was going to die if she continued with the pregnancy, who are YOU to deny her an abortion? What about her "right to life" you always harp on about? Or does that only apply for fetuses?

Anyway, I'm going to stop here because I could go on for hours about the hypocrisy of these morons. If there's anything I left out, please tell me and I'll have a good ramble about it later :P
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Kittygirl7878 Featured By Owner 1 day ago
"No baby deserves the death penalty!"

Speaking of death penalty, don't many anti-choice bigots actually support death penalty? Something I find hypocritical if they call themselves pro-life.
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Captain-Tickles Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
Pro-life is like a religion that branches from atheism 
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Internetexplorer968 Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
I don't see how that makes any sense. /: \
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Captain-Tickles Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
all of these regulations and beliefs 
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Internetexplorer968 Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
Still doesn't make sense to me...
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Captain-Tickles Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
Pro-Life = Pro-FuckFace
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ThatFreakyZephyr Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
hello, its me again. 
I debated to you many years on this issue.
I have changed my views since.
Yes, abortion is touchy, but it should still be allowed. I think that people just need to carefully consider each option before going with one of them.. Hell, each have pros and cons.
Adoption will save a life, but who will adopt it? What about all the other unadopted children? This is best done if you really want to let the baby live, but know where it will go. And knowing the family is good, not abusive. Bachground checks can only do so much.
Keeping the baby will let the baby live, but there are a lot of issues. Money is a big one. Teen mothers, for example, often have very little means to take care of children, let alone themselves. A baby is a lot for a growing body, and childbirth can be very detrimental to their body. 
These can be best avoided by using birth control and making responsible decisions. 
Poor mothers can't supply the children what they need to grow healthy and strong, and end up hurting themselves and their kid. This is best for mothers who already have a good income and established themselves well. 
Abortion does eliminate the fetus but can cause a lot of bleeding. To prevent this, it is best done early, before the fetus is viable. Large parts can cause infection and can be harmful. This can be avoided by choosing a good provider. This can be used for harmful pregnancies as well, such as rape, incest, or live saving treatment. 
Women have the minds to make good decisions, we do not need anyone telling us what to do as long as we educate ourselves on the decisions. We do not need to use coat hangers, get professional help. 
The only problem I will have with abortion is if the kid doesn't have a certain feature such as sex. Sex selective abortion is wrong because its based off of discrimination, not on a legitimate need.
And an abortion is much cheaper than having to feed yourself and a starving person. It's cruel to bring them into a life that will  be harmful. 
I'm pro informed choice
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Observer----1034 Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Can I hug you?
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ThatFreakyZephyr Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
absulutley. 
And to think I used to be "pro-life"
Then I realized its not very pro life to see a baby grow up in a deprived environment. 
Aslo, have a Freddy! I made him myself! 
Dance Freddy, dance for my amusement! by ThatFreakyZephyr  Dance Freddy, dance for my amusement! by ThatFreakyZephyr  
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Observer----1034 Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
:iconbrohugplz: Yay Freddy! :D
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ThatFreakyZephyr Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Like I said, I made him myself, picture, gif arrangement, and all that. Fnans use this one like crazy, but others like it too. Its amazing how people love something so simple.
Oh, OurHandOfSorrow, there is an MBTI Chart for disney princesses, 
I got Kida.
Heres the chart: 24.media.tumblr.com/79d2394b45…
Hey, I really do not like abortion, but if a kid can;t be raised in hope and be given the love they need, don't have them. There are already so many homeless children out there, how about you give one a home? 
Or invest in charities that help children without homes, baby sit, teach a child a new skill. You can still love children and support hem without giving birth haphazardly. If anything, my views comes from science and compassion. 
Yes, it is a tiny human, but its cruel to neglect them of a need all because you don't have the resources. 
I'd rather be pro-quality-of-life.
And Pro-informed-choice.

I should make that a stamp.
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Observer----1034 Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
That's pretty cool :D I fully support abortion, like you said, I can't stand to see more kids brought into the world to be neglected, even though I'm pedophobic, I still care for children
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ThatFreakyZephyr Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Ah indeed. 
Life is special, and it should not be given away recklessly. 
You wouldn't do this to a pet, so reproduce responsibly. And look to give quality of life, not quantity. 
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Observer----1034 Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Yes, I got sterilized at 17, but if I ever wanted, I would adopt a teenager
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Chiminix Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
I've never heard of a pro-lifer directly hoping that both the woman and child die. That's just backwards.
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Rezina-The-FluffyCat Featured By Owner Sep 27, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Pro-life should just be called pro-fetus .-. because honestly it seems a good many "pro-lifers" would rather see the fetus survive than the woman carrying it. Notice I said a GOOD MANY not ALL. 
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AsahiGirl Featured By Owner Sep 20, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
How is that Pro-Life? ;n; I don't want to see them die!
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Oddball-Dragonfly Featured By Owner Aug 31, 2014  Student General Artist
In my opinion abortion should only be allowed to happen in these circumstances: 1, the baby is a rape child, 2, The mother found out she can't live AND have the baby, 3, the baby was found out to have a problem where it can't live on its own or 4, the mother has financial problems during, NOT BEFORE, DURING, he pregnancy and suddenly is finacially unable to take care of the baby (cause if she went and WILLINGLY concieved it while she was poor, PFFT, thats her fault). But, if the problem is that she was too lazy to take a pill/use a condom, thats her problem. I see that reason 4 might be a tough reason to prove though...
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catz537 Featured By Owner 3 days ago  Hobbyist Digital Artist
It is not anyone's fault if they get pregnant. No one can 100% control whether they get pregnant or not. Nothing is anyone's "fault" in these situations. It's not about blame.
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CoolKHgirl Featured By Owner Aug 27, 2014
agrea, my family is pro-choice, from a comment you're in UK? 
think dad said we're Pro-choice here
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420dollarsand69cents Featured By Owner Jun 15, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Guess what? I'm pro life! I believe in protecting the child's life!
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The 12 year old child that's being forced to have a baby she doesn't want!

you probably thought I was actually "pro life" at first, haha.

pro choice forever.
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grotte-du-lapin Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2014  New member
you're awesome!
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CoolMcBloxi Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2014
Thou shall kill idiotics!
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Ahrolkah Featured By Owner May 29, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Those people call themselves pro life, but theres a difference between pro life and being fucking insane.
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DustyWinds Featured By Owner May 18, 2014
I've read much about rape victims being forced to deliver the child regardless of their protests, simply because the doctors were pro-life. Women have a choice, and yet pro-lifers are forcing them to deliver a baby that they do not want. Even if they don't have an abortion, the mothers (rape victims or otherwise) would be disgusted by the child, whom is also the child of the rapist/man. To all you pro-lifers out there, by asking the mothers to give birth to the child regardless if they were rape victims or otherwise would result in the child probably being much more miserable in life than death. 
And just to clear it up, FETUSES are not BABIES. You are not "murdering" a living thing if you have an abortion.
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SNlCKERS Featured By Owner May 11, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'm pro-life, but I believe abortions are ok in certain circumstances, like If the mothers life/health is in danger.
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SealyTheSeal Featured By Owner Jul 22, 2014
What if the condom broke? Would abortion be necessary, if the woman doesn't want a child? Just wondering.
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MrGlitchstep Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2014  Student General Artist
No. There's no grey area. You either support women, or you're against women.  A woman has a right to her body regardless of circumstances. Saying a woman doesn't is nothing short of patriarchy.

(Excuse my cissexism)
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Why?
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catz537 Featured By Owner 3 days ago  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Because if you try to control what women do with their own bodies, forcing them to do something with their bodies against their wills, you are as low as a rapist, and you are not letting them do what men are allowed to do, thus making you sexist.
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ToriKross Featured By Owner Apr 24, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
Most women get abortions for social and financial reasons. Only 12% abort for health reasons. 1% who abort are rape victims. 
(www.abort73.com/abortion_facts…
 
In other words, most people who abort, don't abort because they're worried about dying or that their kid might die.
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SealyTheSeal Featured By Owner Jul 22, 2014
Woman get abortions for a serious reason, it's not something taken light heartly. I've seen people say how abortion feels like, and they said it's feels like a painful stabbing in their gut. Do you think they're that dumb enough to getting a painful abortion just because they were "slutty"?
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ToriKross Featured By Owner Jul 22, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
I never said that they abort because their slutty. I said more women get abortions for social and financial reasons rather than for medical reasons.
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SealyTheSeal Featured By Owner Jul 22, 2014
Okay, but I see many pro-lifers say they're slutty, but I'm not stereotyping all of them.
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katrinahood Featured By Owner Apr 6, 2014  Student Digital Artist
I personally think that Moses fucked up the Bible verse that said "Thou shalt not kill". And God responded by facepalming and saying, "Moses, you idiot! It was supposed to say 'Thou shalt not murder', not kill!"
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Sylviagoesmeow Featured By Owner Jul 15, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
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Awesome-Alicorn Featured By Owner May 2, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
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Wisp-Night Featured By Owner Mar 18, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Oddly enough, I was against abortion when I was little. Then I read this one book (I know, not the best source of real-life info), that put the idea into perspective for me. This doctor had taken up a job as the abortionist. And the women coming in weren't described as these selfish women, but as people who seemed sorta like they'd been dealt a bad card in life. One came in after being raped, another after being raped by both her father and brother, and someone else for another reason. 

It's hard to have an opinion because, on the one hand, it feels like something is being hurt. It may not be a baby yet, but it's human nature to identify with one another. A developing baby only needs to have the word baby in it for some to not want to bring harm to it.

On the other hand, some women really don't deserve it. Birthing a rapist's son/daughter would be awkward if they ever wanted to know who their father was. Or maybe they were forced into it (in a different way that includes rape but a little bit more than that). 

I kind of want to ignore it with that slight hovering hand. I'd be pretty pissed if some yo-yo went to get an abortion whenever she got pregnant because she liked having a lot of intercourse but didn't want to try out any protection at all (talk about a waste of money for the abortionist).
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OurHandOfSorrow Featured By Owner Apr 1, 2014  Hobbyist Photographer
Would you trust a woman who's had multiple abortions due to repeatedly having unprotected sex with a child?
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DivineDragons Featured By Owner Mar 12, 2014  Student General Artist
Seriously. Most pro-life people don't think that(If one does though they are an idiot). And as for your reply to TheBigSplash thats exactly what you consider a human is too. A clump of tissues and cells.
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OurHandOfSorrow Featured By Owner Mar 13, 2014  Hobbyist Photographer
Considering that all living things are essentially clumps of tissue and cells, I don't see why you're offended.
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DivineDragons Featured By Owner Mar 13, 2014  Student General Artist
Not offended by the cell clumps thing.My point was that all living things are just cells, including a fetus so why put it at such a low value when you are also a clump of cells? I am more offended that you are promoting the idea that at least half of pro-lifers have such disgusting ideas like there is never a reason to have an abortion. Obviously a few are fools, but you see fools on both sides spouting nonsense. Like some believe it is perfectly fine to abort a child because you wanted it to be say female and it is going to be male. By the way I agree with you about the Christians who try to argue what god has said as a legitimate argument against someone who is non christian since that will obviously not persuade them at all. 
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Frudies Featured By Owner Jun 16, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
actually half of my entire family is pro-life and thinks like this. nice try though, you are a minority. most pro-lifers think like this.
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DivineDragons Featured By Owner Jun 16, 2014  Student General Artist
Just because half of your family thinks this way doesn't mean that most pro-lifers think that way. Most family's will probably have groups with similar beliefs. 
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krazychick10101 Featured By Owner Mar 3, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist

The world needs to learn to keep to itself.

Love you my friend.

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StarTheWolfPuppy Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist

I support it and respect pro-lifers who say, "I wouldn't, but its your choice."

the world needs to learn to stick out of a woman's business. The abortion should be her decision and her partner and other family if she wants their advise.

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BlueWolf007 Featured By Owner Apr 6, 2014
I'm Pro-Choice, and I actually have that view. I honestly don't think I could ever do such a thing myself due to my own personal beliefs (Which is all they amount to) but I'm all for fighting for every persons (Including womens) right to lead a happy healthy life- if that means preventing an unwanted pregnancy then so be it. Do I appreciate the women who use it as a form of birth control? FUCK NO! But that could have been prevented LONG ago.

I just wish that this society would focus less on illegalizing abortion and focus on better ways of PREVENTING it. (First and foremost, proper sex-ed, scholarships and programs for women suddenly stuck with unwanted pregnancy and WAY more job offers for women who are pregnant) 
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StarTheWolfPuppy Featured By Owner Apr 6, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
exactly. it would be better to find a way to make abortion rarer rather than stopping it entirely.
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BlueWolf007 Featured By Owner Apr 16, 2014
More job offers for pregnant women, (because a handicap person is more likely to keep their career or job than a healthy pregnant woman) more scholarships so they can pursue their education, and programs that help councel and teach women to raise their family in a healthy wholesome manner. 
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StarTheWolfPuppy Featured By Owner Apr 16, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
one of the reasons why I don't support abortion for the sake of, "baby would get in the way."

but like I said, I think it's the mother's choice
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