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Nothing at All by OurHandOfSorrow Nothing at All by OurHandOfSorrow
"There is nothing "pro-life" about wanting to see both woman and fetus die."

Around half of anti-choicers I come across are against abortion in all cases/when there's no chance of the fetus surviving/when the only way to save the woman's life is to kill the fetus/when the fetus has died.

I don't understand what is so "pro-life" about wanting to see both woman and fetus die? If there's at least a slim hope for the woman's survival wouldn't it be best to at least save her life? Since when was two deaths better than just one? It doesn't make any sense.

"It's a mothers duty to sacrifice her life for her child!"

No, it's not. Nobody is obliged to give up their life for the sake of someone else, whether it's her child or not. There is nothing noble about sacrificing your own life for the sake of something that would die without your help anyway and leaving your family and friends behind.

"It's all part of Gods plan for them both to die, she will be rewarded in heaven by God and Jesus and all the little Angels and blah blah blah blah!"

Not everybody is Christian, your God means nothing to mine and plenty of other women's lives. I will not, and I repeat NOT die for a fetus just because YOU believe that there is an afterlife. There are tonnes of faiths out there, and not all of them want women to die for a non-viable clump of tissue and cells that's inside of her uterus. I'm not a Christian, I'm a Pagan. I don't believe in your God and I never have done, so why should I die for a cause that I don't believe in?

"Abortion is murder and murder is a sin!"

No, abortion is not murder and it never has been. Did you know that before abortion was made illegal in the 19th century, it was legal up to the 17th week because the 'soul' didn't enter the body till then?

"Thou shalt not kill!!!!!"

Urgh! What is with all the bible mumbo jumbo today? If killing was wrong, we would have all starved to death long ago. We kill thousands of things every single day all of our lives. What it should say is: "Thou shalt not murder!" and abortion is NOT murder.

"No baby deserves the death penalty!"

No woman deserves to die for a non-viable embryo, that's just about as alive as a turnip is. Thing is, when there's no hope of the fetus surviving because of viability and shit like that and the woman was going to die if she continued with the pregnancy, who are YOU to deny her an abortion? What about her "right to life" you always harp on about? Or does that only apply for fetuses?

Anyway, I'm going to stop here because I could go on for hours about the hypocrisy of these morons. If there's anything I left out, please tell me and I'll have a good ramble about it later :P
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ThatFreakyZephyr Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2014  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
hello, its me again. 
I debated to you many years on this issue.
I have changed my views since.
Yes, abortion is touchy, but it should still be allowed. I think that people just need to carefully consider each option before going with one of them.. Hell, each have pros and cons.
Adoption will save a life, but who will adopt it? What about all the other unadopted children? This is best done if you really want to let the baby live, but know where it will go. And knowing the family is good, not abusive. Bachground checks can only do so much.
Keeping the baby will let the baby live, but there are a lot of issues. Money is a big one. Teen mothers, for example, often have very little means to take care of children, let alone themselves. A baby is a lot for a growing body, and childbirth can be very detrimental to their body. 
These can be best avoided by using birth control and making responsible decisions. 
Poor mothers can't supply the children what they need to grow healthy and strong, and end up hurting themselves and their kid. This is best for mothers who already have a good income and established themselves well. 
Abortion does eliminate the fetus but can cause a lot of bleeding. To prevent this, it is best done early, before the fetus is viable. Large parts can cause infection and can be harmful. This can be avoided by choosing a good provider. This can be used for harmful pregnancies as well, such as rape, incest, or live saving treatment. 
Women have the minds to make good decisions, we do not need anyone telling us what to do as long as we educate ourselves on the decisions. We do not need to use coat hangers, get professional help. 
The only problem I will have with abortion is if the kid doesn't have a certain feature such as sex. Sex selective abortion is wrong because its based off of discrimination, not on a legitimate need.
And an abortion is much cheaper than having to feed yourself and a starving person. It's cruel to bring them into a life that will  be harmful. 
I'm pro informed choice
Chiminix Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
I've never heard of a pro-lifer directly hoping that both the woman and child die. That's just backwards.
Rezina-The-FluffyCat Featured By Owner Sep 27, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Pro-life should just be called pro-fetus .-. because honestly it seems a good many "pro-lifers" would rather see the fetus survive than the woman carrying it. Notice I said a GOOD MANY not ALL. 
AsahiGirl Featured By Owner Sep 20, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
How is that Pro-Life? ;n; I don't want to see them die!
Oddball-Dragonfly Featured By Owner Aug 31, 2014  Student General Artist
In my opinion abortion should only be allowed to happen in these circumstances: 1, the baby is a rape child, 2, The mother found out she can't live AND have the baby, 3, the baby was found out to have a problem where it can't live on its own or 4, the mother has financial problems during, NOT BEFORE, DURING, he pregnancy and suddenly is finacially unable to take care of the baby (cause if she went and WILLINGLY concieved it while she was poor, PFFT, thats her fault). But, if the problem is that she was too lazy to take a pill/use a condom, thats her problem. I see that reason 4 might be a tough reason to prove though...
CoolKHgirl Featured By Owner Aug 27, 2014
agrea, my family is pro-choice, from a comment you're in UK? 
think dad said we're Pro-choice here
420dollarsand69cents Featured By Owner Jun 15, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Guess what? I'm pro life! I believe in protecting the child's life!
The 12 year old child that's being forced to have a baby she doesn't want!

you probably thought I was actually "pro life" at first, haha.

pro choice forever.
CoolMcBloxi Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2014
Thou shall kill idiotics!
Ahrolkah Featured By Owner May 29, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Those people call themselves pro life, but theres a difference between pro life and being fucking insane.
DustyWinds Featured By Owner May 18, 2014
I've read much about rape victims being forced to deliver the child regardless of their protests, simply because the doctors were pro-life. Women have a choice, and yet pro-lifers are forcing them to deliver a baby that they do not want. Even if they don't have an abortion, the mothers (rape victims or otherwise) would be disgusted by the child, whom is also the child of the rapist/man. To all you pro-lifers out there, by asking the mothers to give birth to the child regardless if they were rape victims or otherwise would result in the child probably being much more miserable in life than death. 
And just to clear it up, FETUSES are not BABIES. You are not "murdering" a living thing if you have an abortion.
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