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"There is nothing "pro-life" about wanting to see both woman and fetus die."

Around half of anti-choicers I come across are against abortion in all cases/when there's no chance of the fetus surviving/when the only way to save the woman's life is to kill the fetus/when the fetus has died.

I don't understand what is so "pro-life" about wanting to see both woman and fetus die? If there's at least a slim hope for the woman's survival wouldn't it be best to at least save her life? Since when was two deaths better than just one? It doesn't make any sense.

"It's a mothers duty to sacrifice her life for her child!"

No, it's not. Nobody is obliged to give up their life for the sake of someone else, whether it's her child or not. There is nothing noble about sacrificing your own life for the sake of something that would die without your help anyway and leaving your family and friends behind.

"It's all part of Gods plan for them both to die, she will be rewarded in heaven by God and Jesus and all the little Angels and blah blah blah blah!"

Not everybody is Christian, your God means nothing to mine and plenty of other women's lives. I will not, and I repeat NOT die for a fetus just because YOU believe that there is an afterlife. There are tonnes of faiths out there, and not all of them want women to die for a non-viable clump of tissue and cells that's inside of her uterus. I'm not a Christian, I'm a Pagan. I don't believe in your God and I never have done, so why should I die for a cause that I don't believe in?

"Abortion is murder and murder is a sin!"

No, abortion is not murder and it never has been. Did you know that before abortion was made illegal in the 19th century, it was legal up to the 17th week because the 'soul' didn't enter the body till then?

"Thou shalt not kill!!!!!"

Urgh! What is with all the bible mumbo jumbo today? If killing was wrong, we would have all starved to death long ago. We kill thousands of things every single day all of our lives. What it should say is: "Thou shalt not murder!" and abortion is NOT murder.

"No baby deserves the death penalty!"

No woman deserves to die for a non-viable embryo, that's just about as alive as a turnip is. Thing is, when there's no hope of the fetus surviving because of viability and shit like that and the woman was going to die if she continued with the pregnancy, who are YOU to deny her an abortion? What about her "right to life" you always harp on about? Or does that only apply for fetuses?

Anyway, I'm going to stop here because I could go on for hours about the hypocrisy of these morons. If there's anything I left out, please tell me and I'll have a good ramble about it later :P
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axris Featured By Owner 4 days ago  New Deviant Student Artist
i'd probably wind up committing suicide if i became pregnant and was denied the right to an abortion.
For one, I would never have sex with another of my own volition, so the only way for me to be pregnant would be rape. Which as we all know, is a very traumatic experience.
Two, I have a phobia of giving birth. Regardless of whether my body's built for it or not, I could never ever do it.
Three, I'm transgender, and experience severe dysphoria... which would be made worse from having to carry a foetus.
Four, I have experienced severe anxiety and depression in my life, meaning I'm not even mentally equipped to handle childbirth. 

If I had to go through all of this at the one time, I wouldn't be unable to take it, and would kill myself.
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tultsi93 Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
In Finland you can abort embryos, but not fetuses anymore.
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PlatinumKnife Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
In my own personal opinion 
I only think abortion is okay in case of life/or death/health problems for the mom. :'l
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theyoungestbrony Featured By Owner 4 days ago  Student Digital Artist
Exactly. Also, there are some women who get addicted to drugs while pregnant. If the baby is born, then it's born addicted. If the baby is born addicted, then they won't get the drug while they're in the hospital. When that happens, the baby goes through withdrawal. Withdrawal, from what I've heard, is a very painful experience, and people can die from it. A baby certainly would. 
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WhitePedal25 Featured By Owner Aug 28, 2015
Why is it they want a woman to carry a child and yet keep quiet if she miscarries or the baby dies at birth or both woman and child die?

I am so sick of them because they think every woman who is pregnant should sacrifice everything for her child. Well that is a bullshit lie because not every woman has that motherly instinct and I'm surprised they don't get pissed about live children being abused and mistreated.

They pick and choose whatever they want so they can punish people, mostly women, and have power over someone.
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WhitePedal25 Featured By Owner 1 day ago
Especially if the woman has dreams to? And what about the baby? It might die at birth or the mom will die and the baby will be motherless or the kid ends up abused and mistreated when it never asked to be brought into this world. People say to give it up for adoption but that is still a slippery slope at times.

People need to stop controlling others.
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TheArtFrog Featured By Owner 1 day ago  Student General Artist
Unfortunately, ignorant people and stupid people are the biggest threat to freedom and to humanity. Human ignorance will probably be the death of us. :(

People don't mean to control. They just follow their ignorant, misguided beliefs and are arrogant enough to assume everyone must follow them.
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WhitePedal25 Featured By Owner 1 day ago
Yep, the only way to stop it is to fiercely say "Mind your own business!" not to mention that while they are mad that a woman gets an abortion, they move on quickly and some of the pro life women had abortions themselves.

If they read the bible carefully and pay attention to what the scripture really says and what it means that can change, especially if they read the passage of a man forcing his pregnant wife to drink dirty water if she is accused of cheating, if the baby isn't miscarried it's 'his' and if it is miscarried it was another man's.
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TheArtFrog Featured By Owner 1 day ago  Student General Artist
Unfortunately people think it's fine here to arrest a woman for 14 years if she has an abortion. :(

You mean the abortion ritual in Numbers. Yeah.. they didn't have the word abortion back then, so it translates to misscarriage, but it's pretty obvious what goes on. In fact the Bible in general is very pro-abortion. Not even pro choice. Just pro abortion.

So it confuses me how anyone can read the Bible and think it's pro-life.
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WhitePedal25 Featured By Owner 1 day ago
They should get their priorities straight, including when there are LIVE kids being abused and killed, babies, toddlers, kids and even teenagers being murdered by their parents.

Oh yes, including pro death because of the holy wars. With Jesus saying love everyone and treat each other with respect and not judge anyone I'm with that, but the other stuff in the bible is beyond what God would want.

The problem is they don't read it, they want someone to tell them.
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star3catcher Featured By Owner Aug 23, 2015
I feel like while the pro-life stance is at least understandable, it's largely based on blind emotion and personal judgment rather than actual weighing of harm/benefit, which is why I am pro-choice.
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fuckades Featured By Owner Aug 5, 2015  Student Writer
Thank you for the wonderful argument; but to add - I refuse to allow a clump of cells have more rights than I deserve.
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artzombi Featured By Owner Aug 2, 2015  Student General Artist
You should probably also mention that a fetus is not baby, in your description. When people usually get abortions it's when it's just a small collection of cells. It cannot feel pain nor love.
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MitziiztiM Featured By Owner Edited Jul 22, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
THANK YOU!!! For the love of God I'm so stick of heading this crap. Like seriously shut up!

If a women let the fetus and herself die and not get an abortion, I guess that would be killing herself. I remember in one of the 10 commandments one of them where "thou Shall not kill thyself" or something like that. So no, if the women just let herself die, she wouldn't go to heaven, she'd go to Hell. Also I don't think a fetus would go to either of these places. I'm not sure since I'm not Christian so correct me if I'm wrong.
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IminsFTW Featured By Owner Aug 8, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
As far as I know, it wouldn't qualify as suicide unless the mother let herself die just to die. With Fetuses... It's hard to tell, there. There's a load of different views there, and I think the one you referred to would be belief in something called Purgatory, a realm between the two. (Also, the ten commandments don't say anything about suicide, but it's still a one-way trip to Hell.)
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MitziiztiM Featured By Owner Aug 8, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Oh okay! I remeber learning the ten commandments in class, I thought suicide was one of them, anyways thank you for telling!
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IminsFTW Featured By Owner Aug 8, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Glad to clear things up~
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Nny-girl2 Featured By Owner Jul 17, 2015
I am religious, I believe in god, however, I am pro choice, I don't recall the bible mentioning that women had to keep a fetus in her no matter what, even if she will die, or was a victim of rape. So yeah, I believe in god, but I also believe in the right to choose.
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TheArtFrog Featured By Owner 1 day ago  Student General Artist
I've read over the Bible multiple times and couldn't find a single bit of evidence to support the 'pro life' movement. 
I'm glad I'm not crazy in thinking that the Bible is not pro life, and that someone else can see that too. :)
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Fronky-Plz Featured By Owner Jul 9, 2015  Student Filmographer
This has to be one of my favourite stamps on DA
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Captain-Purdy Featured By Owner Jun 27, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
You have no idea how much I love this stamp o3o
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Tweedaz Featured By Owner Jun 20, 2015
It blows my mind how people can care soo much about a clump of cells but be so heartless to  real living people. The same people who claim that abortion is murder are often the ones cheering on wars.....
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peacefulinvasion Featured By Owner Jun 3, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
Anyone who wont let a woman abort to save her life is fucking shit. In most of those situations the fetus wouldn't survive outside the womb and the mom would die before the fetus can qualify for a premature birth. And i'm sorry a child born at 20 weeks premature is likely to have a whole cocktail of handicaps that would impair their quality of life. A child born at 12 weeks........yah just dig the grave for that one. 

Anotherwords in most cases the fetus will die anyways. Why should the mother continue to risk her life for a meaningless cause. Its better to loose one life than two. 
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FnafShipper1903 Featured By Owner Apr 24, 2015  Student Traditional Artist
Am I pro-life or not? I mean, I want to see both the woman and the fetus live, but if the woman needs to abort to live, than I'm fine with that.
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peacefulinvasion Featured By Owner Jun 3, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
O.o people are purely pro-life or prochoice? Most people are inbetween anywho. Most pro-choicers have a line that they draw at a certain point in the pregnancy same with pro-choicers. 
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SpectralDraco Featured By Owner May 3, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
You're Pro-Choice. 
Pro-Life is making abortion illegal for women who need to abort.
It's fine to give some thought to the fetus, as long as it doesn't harm the mother.
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NyuIa Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2015  Student Digital Artist
i have a friend who's against abortion but she's actually NICE about it. she says "I'm against abortion, I think it's wrong, but if other people support it, i'm fine with that!"

like don't be that "ABORTION IS BAD YOU DIE IF YOU DO IT", be like my friend.
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Kittygirl7878 Featured By Owner Mar 2, 2015
"No baby deserves the death penalty!"

Speaking of death penalty, don't many anti-choice bigots actually support death penalty? Something I find hypocritical if they call themselves pro-life.
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SpectralDraco Featured By Owner May 3, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Lmao. 
No mother deserves hell for a child, and the death penalty is something earned by an action. 
Comparing abortion to the death penalty is also a bigoted thing to do. 
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catz537 Featured By Owner Mar 12, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yeah, they actually do. It's really stupid.
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Captain-Tickles Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
Pro-life is like a religion that branches from atheism 
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SpectralDraco Featured By Owner May 3, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
The bible hasn't had a good word at all for abortion. 
So, technically, Pro-choice is a atheist thing. 
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Internetexplorer968 Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
I don't see how that makes any sense. /: \
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Captain-Tickles Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
all of these regulations and beliefs 
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Internetexplorer968 Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
Still doesn't make sense to me...
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Captain-Tickles Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
Pro-Life = Pro-FuckFace
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Dylan-the-dude Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
hello, its me again. 
I debated to you many years on this issue.
I have changed my views since.
Yes, abortion is touchy, but it should still be allowed. I think that people just need to carefully consider each option before going with one of them.. Hell, each have pros and cons.
Adoption will save a life, but who will adopt it? What about all the other unadopted children? This is best done if you really want to let the baby live, but know where it will go. And knowing the family is good, not abusive. Bachground checks can only do so much.
Keeping the baby will let the baby live, but there are a lot of issues. Money is a big one. Teen mothers, for example, often have very little means to take care of children, let alone themselves. A baby is a lot for a growing body, and childbirth can be very detrimental to their body. 
These can be best avoided by using birth control and making responsible decisions. 
Poor mothers can't supply the children what they need to grow healthy and strong, and end up hurting themselves and their kid. This is best for mothers who already have a good income and established themselves well. 
Abortion does eliminate the fetus but can cause a lot of bleeding. To prevent this, it is best done early, before the fetus is viable. Large parts can cause infection and can be harmful. This can be avoided by choosing a good provider. This can be used for harmful pregnancies as well, such as rape, incest, or live saving treatment. 
Women have the minds to make good decisions, we do not need anyone telling us what to do as long as we educate ourselves on the decisions. We do not need to use coat hangers, get professional help. 
The only problem I will have with abortion is if the kid doesn't have a certain feature such as sex. Sex selective abortion is wrong because its based off of discrimination, not on a legitimate need.
And an abortion is much cheaper than having to feed yourself and a starving person. It's cruel to bring them into a life that will  be harmful. 
I'm pro informed choice
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L3V3L-S3L3CT Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2015  Student Digital Artist
Oh my God, I know this is very very old comment but its so true-*w*

Thanks~!
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peacefulinvasion Featured By Owner Edited Jun 3, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
Agreed a woman MUST consider EVERY option. I say we teach woman about all their options in sex education. The second they hit middle school they are to know about abortion adoption keeping the child and all the resources at their disposal. Abstinence only preachers can just take it to the church. That shit is pretty much useless once once the zygote forms. Trust me I went to school and it had an abstinance only program for sex ed. By the time they taught it in like the 10th grade we had at LEAST 2 teens who were pregnant. Guess how useful the "don't have sex until marraige" thing was to them :lol: at that point even the condom preaching is useless. (though we should still teach it). 

Sex education needs to go beyond the bedroom. 
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Captain-Purdy Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Can I hug you?
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Dylan-the-dude Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
absulutley. 
And to think I used to be "pro-life"
Then I realized its not very pro life to see a baby grow up in a deprived environment. 
Aslo, have a Freddy! I made him myself! 
Dance Freddy, dance for my amusement! by ThatFreakyZephyr  Dance Freddy, dance for my amusement! by ThatFreakyZephyr  
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Captain-Purdy Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
:iconbrohugplz: Yay Freddy! :D
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Dylan-the-dude Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Like I said, I made him myself, picture, gif arrangement, and all that. Fnans use this one like crazy, but others like it too. Its amazing how people love something so simple.
Oh, OurHandOfSorrow, there is an MBTI Chart for disney princesses, 
I got Kida.
Heres the chart: 24.media.tumblr.com/79d2394b45…
Hey, I really do not like abortion, but if a kid can;t be raised in hope and be given the love they need, don't have them. There are already so many homeless children out there, how about you give one a home? 
Or invest in charities that help children without homes, baby sit, teach a child a new skill. You can still love children and support hem without giving birth haphazardly. If anything, my views comes from science and compassion. 
Yes, it is a tiny human, but its cruel to neglect them of a need all because you don't have the resources. 
I'd rather be pro-quality-of-life.
And Pro-informed-choice.

I should make that a stamp.
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Captain-Purdy Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
That's pretty cool :D I fully support abortion, like you said, I can't stand to see more kids brought into the world to be neglected, even though I'm pedophobic, I still care for children
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Dylan-the-dude Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Ah indeed. 
Life is special, and it should not be given away recklessly. 
You wouldn't do this to a pet, so reproduce responsibly. And look to give quality of life, not quantity. 
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Captain-Purdy Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Yes, I got sterilized at 17, but if I ever wanted, I would adopt a teenager
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Chiminix Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2014
I've never heard of a pro-lifer directly hoping that both the woman and child die. That's just backwards.
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