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I want proof! by OurHandOfSorrow I want proof! by OurHandOfSorrow
"Your faith is not proof."

Unless you're debating about religion, your faith is proof of nothing.

I debate a fair bit sometimes, and whenever the opposing side uses their religion I want to punch them in the fucking face.

I am not an Atheist, but not everyone follows my faith, not everyone wants to follow my faith. And I respect that, so unless I'm debating about religion: I keep my beliefs AWAY from the debate.

I wish everyone else who I debate with would do the fucking same _
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FunnyFurryFox Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2015  New member Hobbyist General Artist
I hate it when my dad yells at me for believing in cryptidzoology with tons of evidence while its okay to believe on God with only a book as evidence a book!
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lolsweetgirl Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2015  Student General Artist
There will be proof if you truly believe in God a miracle will happen it's so sad people get open there eyes you are even lucky you opened up your eyes!
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TheDreamVista Featured By Owner Dec 29, 2014  Student General Artist
There is proof.
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Rainbow-Sunlight Featured By Owner Edited Dec 5, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
guess what? Evolution has MORE FAITH that you can't really prove. :3
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Corvus-the-Snark Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Yeah pretty much
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superdimentiobrolyX Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
wrong. its a simple fact that genes are passed on and the process of natural selection and randomness leads to divergence. over time, you get a planet of species.
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Rainbow-Sunlight Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Randomness creates life and different species? Please! You're making me laugh! XD

Random thing from no where creates order?....I thought that random MEANT RANDOM not order.
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Tuuc Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2015
If a creature has traits that help it survive and breed, it has a better chance of passing on those traits onto its children. Y'know, genetics and all that.

On the other hand, if a creature has traits that hinder its survival and breeding, it will be less likely to pass those traits onto the next generation.

The difference from generation to generation may not be great, but over time, the family line with the genes that help it survive will be more numerous than the line with less beneficial genes, eventually to the point of wiping out the creatures with poor genetics. Basically, the population will gradually evolve to be more suited to its environment.

Sometimes those creatures get mutations. Most of them are neutral, some are harmful, and only few are beneficial. Of course, you might expect that if harmful mutations are more common than the beneficial ones, they will overpower the good mutations and eventually wipe out all life.

But you have to keep in mind that the creatures unlucky to get the bad mutations are more likely to "get weeded out of" the gene pool. And of course, the other side of the coin is that the creatures that happen to get beneficial mutations are more likely to pass those mutations onto their children.

Evolution also leads to the birth of new species, most often with the help of geographical changes. Let's take an imaginary population of an imaginary species, living in peace... Until suddenly, a mountain range forms in the middle of the population! Of course, this takes millions of years, but the end result is that the population is divided into two.

The area between the coast and the mountains gets a lot of rain because of the evaporating ocean water, so the population on that side of the mountains treats water as something that's always available. Similarly, that population can look for food in the lakes, ponds and rivers that are everywhere, or if it's herbivorous, it will have a lot of plantlife to choose from.

However, the mountains block off the rainclouds coming from the sea, making that side much more dry. Because of the processes I've described above, the individuals of the species that can store water more efficiently are more likely to survive, and when they want to eat, they can't rely on creatures that live in water or need water to live.

Little by little, that population evolves into something different, perhaps eventually reaching the point of being a brand new species, unable to breed with the creatures on the other side of the mountains due to a large difference in genetics.
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superdimentiobrolyX Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
let me break it down for you. its not comeplete randomization, not a complete reset each time. you start with something simple, and one random thing is added. if it works the thing lives, if not it dies and that trait is genetically passed on. if not that thing will die and the trait will fade. over time we see analogus structures because the same things work and patterns because of the law of probability as well as other things.
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superdimentiobrolyX Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
where did you get order from?
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RainbowTailor Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2014  Student General Artist
This is why I love science class.
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Shadowheart-Darkclan Featured By Owner Oct 5, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
This is exactly why I like science class.
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Chiminix Featured By Owner Sep 19, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
It's only personal proof. Good luck convincing other people based solely off of your own experiences.
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ChocolatePeachKitty Featured By Owner Aug 24, 2014  Hobbyist
I think it's only proof if you're arguing with someone who has the same faith and believes in it.
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yudrontheglatorian Featured By Owner Aug 21, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
and don´t forget, faith is NOT a crime!
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DivergentAngel Featured By Owner Jul 25, 2014
Well duh. Faith is belief. Believing something doesn't make it real but you can't say it's not real
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SealyTheSeal Featured By Owner Jul 22, 2014
The story of abortion arguments.
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awesomestarz Featured By Owner Jul 17, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
Why do I need proof if people are so convinced he doesn't exist?
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Corvus-the-Snark Featured By Owner Jul 14, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Then you have no proof for most of your science which is essentially faith
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superdimentiobrolyX Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
bullshit. science is evidence and numbers
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Corvus-the-Snark Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Except when it isn't
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superdimentiobrolyX Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
theres no case when it isnt. you cant give me any specific example. only "uh, duh evolutiunz"
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Corvus-the-Snark Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Why bother when you aren't going to listen?
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superdimentiobrolyX Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
ill listen. i wanna hear the catastrophe.
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Corvus-the-Snark Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Well if you are going to put it that way, I'm not saying anything...
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En-Seta Featured By Owner Jun 18, 2014  Student General Artist
Faith may not be proof, but there is proof to may faiths. Some examples are God's Signature, Eve of Africa, and the tidal wave of the Red Sea. There are more (much more), but I'm too lazy to look them up. Good day.
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LolitheLeopard Featured By Owner Jun 7, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
A brief summary of everything Rhavencroft has ever said: :iconuglybabyplz:
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PickleParfe Featured By Owner May 5, 2014  Student Digital Artist
Evolution is a faith, you know.
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FunnyFurryFox Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2015  New member Hobbyist General Artist
Really? This again? Evolution is a scientific theory with way more evidence than there is to prove that a hippie that turns water into wine is real
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Blackestfang Featured By Owner May 8, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
faith is belief without proof there is proof of evolution.
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PickleParfe Featured By Owner May 9, 2014  Student Digital Artist
There is no proof of the Big Bang.
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Blackestfang Featured By Owner May 9, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
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PickleParfe Featured By Owner May 9, 2014  Student Digital Artist
How did all that matter explode? If it was all clumped together in one spot, it would create a black hole so dense, that absolutely nothing could escape, much less explode. And also, where did that matter come from? Without an omnipotent being, there is no way matter can just "appear" out of nothing.

I'm done here.
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Blackestfang Featured By Owner May 9, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
where did god come from then? nothing should be immune to the 'something can't come from nothing' you cling to. god would have had to have a creator then who created that creator, ect.
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TheAntsaBoy94 Featured By Owner Oct 9, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Correction: Nothing in the world of cause and effect should be immune to the 'something can't come from nothing'.
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KrisCynical Featured By Owner Aug 3, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
It amuses me that he never replied to you after that comment. lol

It drives me up a friggin' wall every time I see Christians act like science is no different than religious faith or that science is somehow BAD and can't coexist with religion, seeing as how they're two different things. And I'm a Christian! :facepalm:
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Blackestfang Featured By Owner Aug 3, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
It's because he is a Christian that only looks at the bible for answer. I feel that if you believe in a god you should still keep an open mind to science and that both science and the bible don't have all the answers.
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BlackDiamond874 Featured By Owner Apr 28, 2014
No amount of belief can make something a fact.
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katrinahood Featured By Owner Mar 13, 2014  Student Digital Artist
Yeah, unless I'm actually discussing Christianity, I usually keep that out, especially in two certain topics! (You know what they are, don't you?)
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Huskeygirl3 Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Oh my god yes! It annoys me so much when somebody uses religion in an argument!!
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R-u-m Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2014
unless of course the debate is on the religious content itself, which is usually the case c: 
Besides.. That's why it's called faith, we believe wether it is complete proof or not ;w;
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Shadowstar151 Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2013
This reminds me of a story when I used to be a christian.I once asked the person teaching us a lesson about god, and I asked him "How can we prove that God exist?" and he told me and I quote "look outside at the trees'.
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LolitheLeopard Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Christian Logic: IS IN DA BIBLE! THE BIBLE SAYS SO! BIBLE GOOD!" :iconderpplz:
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feathertawny Featured By Owner Oct 28, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
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KrisCynical Featured By Owner Aug 3, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
Unnecessary nonsense like that is the reason why my friends who are atheists want to punch people like you in the teeth: you are the reason why THEY tend to be saddled with the stereotype of being obnoxiously condescending to any and all people who follow any religion at all. :facepalm:
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LolitheLeopard Featured By Owner Aug 3, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Piss off.
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KrisCynical Featured By Owner Edited Aug 5, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
Thata girl. Reinforce that stereotype! Show people how intelligent and mature atheists aren't. :roll:
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KINGRIEVOUS Featured By Owner May 3, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
DUAHH   JESUS SMASH!   XD
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Blackestfang Featured By Owner May 2, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
LOL! there is a user that takes to the bible for everything try talking with them one little sentence about what they have to say then shit ton of bible quotes. stamps against atheists, all bible quotes it's pointless to debate someone who doesn't believe in the bible with the bible.
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